So if this thing doesn’t pass, what do you think will happen? Obviously prices will continue to balloon, and nobody will want to try reform again–certainly not the Repubs. And if it does pass, I assume you believe it will be worse, right? Hard to imagine.


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  1. urstupidnourstupid Says:

    Well I certainly believe it should have been tackled before now that’s for sure. And what do you think this bill will do exactly to decrease this? Are they going to take away the evil profits from the demonic insurance companies? Are they going to save all those faxing and email charges by putting everyones medical records online?

    So your logic here is: it can’t get any worse if we get the government more involved with the process. Sound about right?

    Oh and don’t forget to figure in the aging population and advanced technology that wasn’t here 20 years ago. That stuff is spendy.

  2. urstupidnourstupid Says:

    The gov’t being involved can create a bigger pool, regulate insurance companies better, reform Tort, etc.

    Look, I really find it ironic that you guys scream against this, but if I said “Well then certainly you think we should abolish Social Security and Medicare” you’d say hell no! Come on man, those two programs have improved the quality of life for millions of people. Your mom is at about that age. You gonna take that away from her? You gonna give yours back? This is a complicated issue that we disagree on–but you cannot disagree that those two programs have been good for this country and it is hypocritical to say that adding to them would ruin this country while at the same time defending them as integral to our socirty, culture, and well-being. Point made…arguement won.

  3. urstupidnourstupid Says:

    Why not? Let’s take an extreme. You think we should double the payments made to seniors and lower the age to 55. Is it hypocritical to say that adding to them would ruin this country while at the same time defending them is integral to our society? Argument won? Really? Ok. I can’t argue with “logic” like that.

  4. urstupidnourstupid Says:

    If it reduces cost as the CBO says below, then it must be an idealogical thing. How can you be against it if it saves money?

    “The CBO estimates that the $875 billion Senate plan, which is the basis for Obama’s plan, would reduce the federal deficit by $118 billion over 10 years and would provide health care insurance for 31 million people who otherwise would be uninsured. The plan would reduce the deficit because its costs would be more than offset in savings from changes in Medicare and tax increases for wealthy citizens, including taxes on capital gains for upper-income earners.”

    So this means rolling back the Bush tax cuts to Clinton-era days (when we accrued a surplus). I know this is pure horrer to you, but numbers don’t lie.

  5. urstupidnourstupid Says:

    Two questions: When do they start collecting taxes on this? When do the benefits start? Point made…argument won.

  6. urstupidnourstupid Says:

    Well, we shall see. Every piece of legislation has its detractors. Social security, Medicare, Medicaid, etc. And many people, like you, said the same thing. Doom and gloom…all the time. Can’t do this, can’t do that. At least the guy i voted for is trying to do something to fix the problem, unlike the people you have voted for the last three elections who really fucked things up. How you feeling about those votes these days?

    We will see, in 10 years, when he is long gone, how things turned out. Next up, it looks like he will tackle the budget deficit. Something your guy swelled to massive amounts by going into an unnecessary, unfunded war. How’s that for Conservative leadership?

  7. urstupidnourstupid Says:

    Your argument to blatent facts is that at least he is doing something about it? First you admit that you don’t know what’s in the bill. So you hold up the money saving flag which is completely obliterated in these articles. Now you are reduced to saying at least he is doing something about it or look what the Republicans did? Next will be more poo throwing at Glen Beck or someone. You have reduced your political philosophy down to the very lowest denominators. I think it’s game, set and match. Sorry.

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