About Face!!

Well it looks like Obama is going to use the hatchet rather than the scalpel. I say yes he can!!!! The Repubs and conservative pundits will say this is largely symbolic and if you run the #s it is (250 billion in 10 years, only affecting 17% of the budget.) That said, a symbolic gesture is great news to me. I am 100% behind Obama on this one. I will bestow a great amount of respect for him if he focuses on going through the budget line by line and makes serious cuts. 6.9 billion is only .00575% of the deficit, not the budget. Here are a couple of other #s:

US Federal Debt: 12.325 trillion
US Federal Debt per person: $39,945 per tax payer: $112,862
Personal Debt: 16.678 trillion: per person: $54,051
US total debt (household, business, state, local, financial institutions and federal): 54 trillion: total debt per person: $177,629
US unfunded liabilities (future social security, medicare and prescriptions: 107 trillion: per person: $347,295

Do you see a problem with this? I do.


7 Responses to “About Face!!”

  1. urstupidnourstupid Says:

    Damn! You beat me to it! I think it’s great. I don’t see why he’s catching so much flak for it. I’m not sure what you mean by “do you see a problem with this” You mean the math? The prescriptions?

    Here’s Obama’s biggest problem in my eyes. In the midst of the econ. crisis, he should have put healthcare on the back burner and done this first. Not sure why he didn’t except he wanted the majority in Congress.

    One more thing–re: the Supreme Court ruling. Do you think foreign companies should be able to give $ unrestricted? What about joint companies? I’m sure you know my opinion.

  2. urstupidnourstupid Says:

    Firstly, if you don’t know what I mean by “do you see a problem with it?”, then, well, I guess you don’t see a problem with it. It is one of the primary reasons why we look at things so differently.

    Keep in mind that this is a symbolic move that doesn’t take place until next year. So sure, you are going to have your skeptics. I know I sure am one. Obama first tried cap and tax, then health care and would have moved on to immigration because he is a liberal. Plain and simple. He gambled that the public would accept this based on his enourmous popularity.

    I am really wrestling with the court ruling. I am looking at the constitutionality of it and I just can’t seem to make my own ruling. You made a valid point when you asked “Do corporations vote?” Just because corporations have a special designation in law where they act as a person, does not mean that they should enjoy constitutinional rights. On the other hand, a documentary critical of a presidential candidate is at its core, political speech and does not change just because it was funded by corporations.

    And no I don’t think foreign corporations should be able to give to campaigns, nor do I think foreigners should be able to give to campaigns (although I know you are ok with this.) And, I don’t think foreigners should be able to enjoy our constitutional rights either.

  3. urstupidnourstupid Says:

    I thought you meant something mathematically wrong. Of course I see something wrong with it. We’re in major debt due to irresponsible spending, and healthcare being one of the major reasons–which is why he is trying to stop the bleeding by reforming it. Costs are rising faster than anything else.

    And you are dead wrong…I don’t think foreign people or foreign companies should be able to contribute to campaigns or candidates. But under this new ruling, foreign companies can. That’s why I asked your opinion. So you must be against the ruling, right? Is it just coincidence that the film was anti-Clinton and a conservative court ruled in its favor? Just like the recount in Florida.

  4. urstupidnourstupid Says:

    It’s not a coincidence. Read the decisions and you will see. Read Clarence Thomas’s book. Take a look at the legal sections of the Heritage Foundation or any other conservative organization. The judges who voted for this are strict constitutionalists. It’s so completely out of your realm that you couldn’t possibly understand it. This is a deeply held fundamental principal. For you to make the claim that it is political shows that you have absolutely no idea how incredibly deep this runs in conservatism.

    I was struggling with it before I heard foreign corps could do this. So sure, I will have a problem based on your claim.

    And I don’t recall you screaming from the rooftops when Obama was accepting donations from around the world with little or no confirmation of citizenship. You blew it off like it was no big deal then. Why the change of heart?

    And lastly, the #s I posted on debt. You keep saying that you recognize the issue but then you post an article boasting that Obama cut 6.9 billion from our budget as if this were an accomplishment. This is just .00575 % of the deficit. This clearly shows that you are not looking at these numbers like I am.

    We are in different universes on these issues. It’s actually quite fascinating the more I think about it. Now take football for example. We watch different games, read different columnists. Yet we tend to agree completely with each other about rules, trends, who is good, who is bad. It’s just interesing how vastly far apart we are on things.

  5. urstupidnourstupid Says:

    “It’s so completely out of your realm that you couldn’t possibly understand it.”

    Well let me just quit now, get down on my knees and defer to the all knowing Scott Binley! Damn dude, that’s harsh coming from someone whose essays I used to write at Mesa College! Ha ha!

    A couple things: If the court involved in the recount were truly conservative they would have refused to even hear the case because it was a state issue. But that’s ancient history.

    Also I don’t recall Obama accepting loads of money from foreign companies. It wasn’t an issue I recall. If he did, I disagree.

    Finally…the first amendment is no more near and dear to conservatives as it is to anyone else. You are sort of making my case for me when you say that you are (probably) against the ruling of this conservative court. So which is it? Are you not a conservative? Why can’t you get off the fence? It seems we may agree on this, but clearly you are torn.

    Conservatives bitch and moan as much as anyone else when 1st amendment issues do not fall in their favor. They love to stifle criticism of religion and other “fundamental principles”. How about the Bush admin. forbidding the press to take photos of US soldiers’ caskets? Or when the Supreme Court upheld a high-school principal’s right to suspend a student for displaying a “Bong Hits 4 Jesus” banner? Or a 2003 decision allowing Congress to force public libraries and schools to install filtering software on their computers?

    So come on…get off the fundamental principles of conservatives and free speech.

  6. urstupidnourstupid Says:

    Obama’s website accepted donations from all over the world that only required the donor to click a checkbox that attests that they are legally eligible to contribute. Clinton and McCain would not accept online contributions from overseas. They had to send them in by mail with documentation showing eligibility. I have a picture of the drop down box with all the countries including Iran if you want to see it. But no matter…

    So I’m still on the fence on this one. Your points are valid. I wish I could ask a judge or a law professor who could flesh this out for me. I might have someone I can go to.

  7. urstupidnourstupid Says:

    Alright. When the wind stops blowing, you let me know what you think. Take your time. No really…it’s fine. Do some online searches, talk to your consultants and get back to me when you figure out what you believe in.

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